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today that job belongs to paul ryan. why were we able to get budgets done when you ran things and can't do it anymore? try not to give me a particularly political or partisan answer. >> it's all personal ability, of course, right? no. look. these are good people trapped in a very difficult if not terrible situation. with a process they're not even using anymore. you went through a very good outline of how the process is supposed to work. the challenge right now in my mind is that no one is using that process starring with as you said the president is going to be late with his budget submission, then congress will not even most likely consider the budget. you put your finger on it. the process isn't working. these are good people, smar people. not that they're anti-budgets. >> we've had disagreements between parties for all of history. why have we been able to get budge es in the past and now our ideological leanings stop us? >> right now people who are supposed to be sitting around a table in a committee room having hear
today that job belongs to paul ryan. why were we able to get budgets done when you ran things and can't do it anymore? try not to give me a particularly political or partisan answer. >> it's all personal ability, of course, right? no. look. these are good people trapped in a very difficult if not terrible situation. with a process they're not even using anymore. you went through a very good outline of how the process is supposed to work. the challenge right now in my mind is that no one...
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i preseume that is paul ryan's budget. i don't see how you can vote tomorrow on a debt extepgs nsio increase and attach a balanced budget before you know what the balanced budget is. i see that as a problem. i want peter to tackle that. >> we are passing the no budget no pay act. it is going to give both chambers, the senate and the house to pass the budgets. what you are hearing is, the house is going to more than likely pass the budget. but tomorrow, all we are trying to do is say, senate, you haven't acted in ten years isn't it time you want to tell them what you are doie i going to sp? this could be a kum by yah moment but you can't do it unless you get the sent at to act with us. >> another key day is march 1st. $1.2 trillion over ten years that is the key to cutting spending will that get done peter welch? >> it shouldn't get done. the president said he would do that. you know i'm with shawn when he says the senate should act and pass a budget. but the house should pass this ten year goal and the majority should put
i preseume that is paul ryan's budget. i don't see how you can vote tomorrow on a debt extepgs nsio increase and attach a balanced budget before you know what the balanced budget is. i see that as a problem. i want peter to tackle that. >> we are passing the no budget no pay act. it is going to give both chambers, the senate and the house to pass the budgets. what you are hearing is, the house is going to more than likely pass the budget. but tomorrow, all we are trying to do is say,...
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not just a liberty-only patriotism which we're hearing from paul ryans but liberty and justice for all, more includ ine realistic. >> fast forward 2016, right? you and i were talking about this, both at kennedy center, latino sale ccelebration. vice president biden made an impression. what makes you think he's trying to vie for the latino votes? >> first of all i know joe biden and i think he's on campaign mode already. we saw a joe biden sprinting through the parade route yesterday. i think he was trying to show us he's a very spry, fit, 70-year-old who will be in very good shape in four years. he became the first vice president to get sworn in by ay ays a latina justice. first vice president to do that. it's a matter of time before we hear joe biden singing or in spanish or reciting irish poetry in spanish because i think joe biden is a very smart politician. realizes how important the latino vote was to this victory. and i think he's prepping himself for a 2016 run. look, he said it at the latina ball the head of the new pack, a hispanic democrat super pac founded and that includes
not just a liberty-only patriotism which we're hearing from paul ryans but liberty and justice for all, more includ ine realistic. >> fast forward 2016, right? you and i were talking about this, both at kennedy center, latino sale ccelebration. vice president biden made an impression. what makes you think he's trying to vie for the latino votes? >> first of all i know joe biden and i think he's on campaign mode already. we saw a joe biden sprinting through the parade route...
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i didn't hear it from paul ryan, and i didn't hear it from the leaders. and that's the part i don't get. the debt ceiling, three months, whatever. the continuing resolution, that's a little bit in the weeds. but all right. fine. you can work with that. but i didn't hear them say what that was going to mean for spending, either. >> that's a great point, larry. they're not articulating spending cuts enough. but when you have someone like paul ryan at this retreat in williamsburg leading the effort behind the scenes for the short-term extension, he's telling members, especially the skeptical back benchers, that when that cr comes up in a couple months, when that sequester fight comes up and defense cuts in a couple months, house republicans will push for the spending cuts but they don't want to lose the pr bat toll a president who's very adept at pointing his finger at republicans and saying they want to cause default. >> okay. i think they're losing the pr battle anyway. >> perhaps they are. >> i mean, i don't know. i know obama's very fassel, but i also kn
i didn't hear it from paul ryan, and i didn't hear it from the leaders. and that's the part i don't get. the debt ceiling, three months, whatever. the continuing resolution, that's a little bit in the weeds. but all right. fine. you can work with that. but i didn't hear them say what that was going to mean for spending, either. >> that's a great point, larry. they're not articulating spending cuts enough. but when you have someone like paul ryan at this retreat in williamsburg leading the...
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. >> andrea: this is on the heels of white house telling paul ryan it won't meet a budget deadline. 1300 days we still don't a budget. he is saying i've been busy. sorry, i wouldn't get to the budget thing. as i mentioned in the "a" block, president obama said newtown, connecticut, was the hardest day of his presidency. we sat around for a week and not only us but others saying we need to do something. the approach i would have suggested, is to try to figure out a way to make some of this bipartisan at the outset and do the executive orders on the back end of that effort. instead he put the cart in front of the horse, now the horse won'tbe go anywhere. >> andrea: he hasn't cut spending at all. it's not even on the radar screen. >> eric: i don't think this is a distraction. this is an important time, not only in the legacy but america. he said, here i come. get ready, ready to fundamentally transform america. this was right before he started in 2009. october of 2008. rahm emanuel said don't let a good tragedy go to waste because you can do things to fundamentally transform america. he is
. >> andrea: this is on the heels of white house telling paul ryan it won't meet a budget deadline. 1300 days we still don't a budget. he is saying i've been busy. sorry, i wouldn't get to the budget thing. as i mentioned in the "a" block, president obama said newtown, connecticut, was the hardest day of his presidency. we sat around for a week and not only us but others saying we need to do something. the approach i would have suggested, is to try to figure out a way to make...
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they told paul ryan on friday that he will not make that. there is going to be things coming in march or later giving them a bother. the reason given is the fiscal cliff deal. the budget cycle is just months and months of agency planning, back-and-forth of the office of budget management and that is the official region -- the official reason is a mini that in the middle of the debt ceiling fight. it is a wild card and the negotiation. we will have to see. host: erik watson with "the hill," thanks. we put that on the table for your house well and we will open the phones for the last 30 minutes. what are your thoughts? amin, democratic caller. caller: thank you for taking my call. i am a disabled vietnam veteran who was a medic in the military and i am 40 years to the day being treated for ptsd and it is not from the war but the injuries that i saw from assault weapons. the ak-47, the weapon of the vietnamese, and the m-16, our weapon that the vietnamese were somehow able to get a hold of. my first thought is to the first responders. i would l
they told paul ryan on friday that he will not make that. there is going to be things coming in march or later giving them a bother. the reason given is the fiscal cliff deal. the budget cycle is just months and months of agency planning, back-and-forth of the office of budget management and that is the official region -- the official reason is a mini that in the middle of the debt ceiling fight. it is a wild card and the negotiation. we will have to see. host: erik watson with "the...
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i guess paul ryan liked that. i'm not sure what harry reid thought about that, but the rules committee thought it was ok. but the fact of the matter is that bill was written while the rules committee was in session. there are 13 of us on rules committee. we love the enormous power that we got. but i don't believe any of us ever suspected that the rules committee was going to supersede all of the committees in the house of representatives. there's been no committee action on any of this. in addition, i want to make the point again in spite of what we tried to do, we said nobody's talked about this. there's been no discussion on this. let's have an open rule. let's let not just the people on our side but the people on the republican side who had no input here as well, let's open it up and have a real debate and see what's going on here. what is going on here? what's going on here, as my colleague points out, is a circus of dubious constitutional validity, frankly. some people may say it's ok what they're doing. othe
i guess paul ryan liked that. i'm not sure what harry reid thought about that, but the rules committee thought it was ok. but the fact of the matter is that bill was written while the rules committee was in session. there are 13 of us on rules committee. we love the enormous power that we got. but i don't believe any of us ever suspected that the rules committee was going to supersede all of the committees in the house of representatives. there's been no committee action on any of this. in...
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what i wish would happen right now, let paul ryan -- the republicans are in control of the house. they have a budget committee chairman who is nationally regarded, vice-president of the republican party. let him hold hearings, engage the american people, pass a budget, challenge the democrats to meet him halfway -- >> neil: i am not saying -- [overlapping dialogue] >> neil: but they do come up with budgets. the senate has yet to introduce one -- >> agreed! >> neil: putting the onus on them to come up with budgets and putting the onus on the democrats to do the same. rather than grant free rights for the president -- of any party in the future to willie null -- nilly usurp congress. >> it is not a usurption, the president will submit a budget in february-- the traditional way, the president submits every year -- it is not like every 10 years we have a budget negotiation. things can change, right? in 200 woon, when bill clinton left office, at this point, we would have had no net debt. what changed that? the republicans chasmed that. they created the structural deficit -- >> neil: w
what i wish would happen right now, let paul ryan -- the republicans are in control of the house. they have a budget committee chairman who is nationally regarded, vice-president of the republican party. let him hold hearings, engage the american people, pass a budget, challenge the democrats to meet him halfway -- >> neil: i am not saying -- [overlapping dialogue] >> neil: but they do come up with budgets. the senate has yet to introduce one -- >> agreed! >> neil:...
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there you see paul ryan among the dignitaries to arrive. we are going to be -- events will start to occur very quickly from here on in as we get to see more and more of the power pliers in washington arriving. we are standing by for the presidential arrival at the capitol on this historic day. a whole lot more. former secretary of state powell. he is a republican. a obama supporter and very candid about his concerns for his party's future. we will talk to him. that and more after a final commercial break. final commercial break. the president is coming out of the white house. actually before we go to commercial break, let's take a look. there you see the -- the president's mother-in-law. gloria, they will be making their way here to -- to the capitol. as the -- president's aides get ready to get in the various cars. what part of the white house is this? >> i think we are looking right now at the north door. the president has been attending a coffee with congressional leaders, with senate leader mitch mcconnell. speaker boehner and congressm
there you see paul ryan among the dignitaries to arrive. we are going to be -- events will start to occur very quickly from here on in as we get to see more and more of the power pliers in washington arriving. we are standing by for the presidential arrival at the capitol on this historic day. a whole lot more. former secretary of state powell. he is a republican. a obama supporter and very candid about his concerns for his party's future. we will talk to him. that and more after a final...
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he has a plan to reform immigration and he's teaming up with congressman paul ryan. we'll talk to you about that if it's okay. >> yeah. >> brian: this story has senator rubio beefedled as are we. his story captured the nation. overcoming the death his girlfriend. it turns out that girlfriend never died because she never lived. dr. keith ablow is a psychiatrist, but didn't go to enough school to go figure it out, but he'll try one. two. three. my credit card rewards are easy to remember with the bankamericard cash rewards credit card. earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. [ both ] 2% back on groceries. [ all ] 3% on gas. no hoops to jump through. i earn more cash back on the things i buy the most. [ woman ] it's as easy as... one! -two. -[ all ] three! [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards credit card. apply online or at a bank of america near you. [ coughs ] [ baby crying ] ♪ [ male announcer ] robitussin® liquid formula soothes your throat on contact and the active ingredient relieves your cough. robitussin®. don't suffer the coughequences™. fi
he has a plan to reform immigration and he's teaming up with congressman paul ryan. we'll talk to you about that if it's okay. >> yeah. >> brian: this story has senator rubio beefedled as are we. his story captured the nation. overcoming the death his girlfriend. it turns out that girlfriend never died because she never lived. dr. keith ablow is a psychiatrist, but didn't go to enough school to go figure it out, but he'll try one. two. three. my credit card rewards are easy to...
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and then attack paul ryan, republican house, for producing a realistic budget -- it wasn't a dramatic budget, didn't even balance in ten years but changed us -- changed us and put us on suitland path. they would attack him as not caring about people and for two years that's what's happened. so once we bring a budget to the floor of the senate, republicans and democrats are going to find out that this is a very difficult situation we're in, the challenge is going to be very difficult and we're going to have a hard time dealing with it. now, mr. lew didn't just make that comment to cnn, in case you think i'm exaggerating here. he also said this in an npr, national public radio interview, february 15, the day, i believe, of a budget committee hearing. -- quote -- "if we are able to reduce the point where we are pay for our spending and invest in the future, that is an enormous accomplishment. this budget has specific proposals that would do that." he looks the american people in the eye or talks to their ears on npr and said his budget has specific proposals that would put us in a positi
and then attack paul ryan, republican house, for producing a realistic budget -- it wasn't a dramatic budget, didn't even balance in ten years but changed us -- changed us and put us on suitland path. they would attack him as not caring about people and for two years that's what's happened. so once we bring a budget to the floor of the senate, republicans and democrats are going to find out that this is a very difficult situation we're in, the challenge is going to be very difficult and we're...
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we heard congressman paul ryan talking about it. the president did mention it in his inaugural address earlier in the week. do you think that is doable and what she could've possibly take? >> tax reform has a different meaning to almost everyone who discusses it. bipartisan -- he meant higher tax rates on the rich. he meant a broader tax rate. he met tax increases rather than tax reform. it really was changing the way government collects taxes. it broadened the tax base dramatically and it lowered tax rates. we had almost every democrat to vote with us in 1986. i think it was 97-three in the senate. that is bipartisan. i am really hoping congress can do that going forward. dagen: it was great to talk with you. be well. connell: jamie dimon is at the world economic forum. he has been taking on his critics are what he calls bad legislation. dagen: apple. the company reports after the bell today. we will set the stage on what you can expect to hear from the tech giant. will you be disappointed? take a look at oil today. it is slightly
we heard congressman paul ryan talking about it. the president did mention it in his inaugural address earlier in the week. do you think that is doable and what she could've possibly take? >> tax reform has a different meaning to almost everyone who discusses it. bipartisan -- he meant higher tax rates on the rich. he meant a broader tax rate. he met tax increases rather than tax reform. it really was changing the way government collects taxes. it broadened the tax base dramatically and...
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paul ryan said yesterday is a short-term increase in the debt limit. they're worried about getting the blame if things go sour. please. >> and john cornyn appearing to jump on that band wagon today. there were comments that sort of dovetailed with the poll. here is a quick quote. i think people are too dark about the economy now in part because of the shadow of pessimism, skepticism about our political system today. does that put the numbers that you just gave us into some context? >> exactly. he's been trying to make the argument that the fundamentals of this recovery are solid and in place and we're positioned to take off but for the political dysfunction. the president made that point as far back as the debt limit stand off in june, 2011 or the summer of 2011, saying our dysfunction is not economic but political. that is the message the president is taking to the public right now and with the recent election results behind him he is hoping to get republicans to bow and get out of the way of that in terms of trying to hold up a debt limit and let the
paul ryan said yesterday is a short-term increase in the debt limit. they're worried about getting the blame if things go sour. please. >> and john cornyn appearing to jump on that band wagon today. there were comments that sort of dovetailed with the poll. here is a quick quote. i think people are too dark about the economy now in part because of the shadow of pessimism, skepticism about our political system today. does that put the numbers that you just gave us into some context?...
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maybe someone like paul ryan to come to the front to be the voice of the gop? >> i think everyone loves the sort of fantasy there will be someone on their side to will so captivate the public that he or she will outshine the president of the united states. it is just not going to happen. the president has an enormous microphone. he has the ability to capture enormous amounts of attention. republicans need to remember on these issues, how much the government spends, and how much it taxes, they have the electorate behind them. the conservatives are united the independents are really fiscally conservative. this is a bloc that controls america and they need to simply find a strategy, i think this is a good one, to have the debate about that spending issue. ashley: talking about spending, what one issue do you think is one that the republicans should really look in on? is it entitlement reform, health care costs? what is it that they should really zero in on? >> well, in the end the numbers are all driven by entitlements. you can make enormous progress on defense. y
maybe someone like paul ryan to come to the front to be the voice of the gop? >> i think everyone loves the sort of fantasy there will be someone on their side to will so captivate the public that he or she will outshine the president of the united states. it is just not going to happen. the president has an enormous microphone. he has the ability to capture enormous amounts of attention. republicans need to remember on these issues, how much the government spends, and how much it taxes,...
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what they propose is, first off, if i take paul ryan's comment that it will cause them to not be paid for not working, that makes an absolutely dumb assertion and assumption that the senate does not work. it is dysfunctional, but they go to work. we will withhold their pay because they have not had a budget? then i guess we will withhold their pay because there are 95 federal -- in this country that are not undertaken. i guess all the work they have been doing trying to confirm the president's appointees is not work. then the thing that goes ignored is how powerful any one senator is. they can hold up anything. all we are doing, we are kicking this can metaphorically. it's disappointing, mr. chairman, that there was no hearing on this measure. there was a comment that we would be transparent and do these things and not backroom deals, well this is a back room deal. it came from somewhere. it did not come from the committee structure. it did not come from what we referred to as regular order. now we will do this on a closed rule. when i came here, i was surprised how much republicans a
what they propose is, first off, if i take paul ryan's comment that it will cause them to not be paid for not working, that makes an absolutely dumb assertion and assumption that the senate does not work. it is dysfunctional, but they go to work. we will withhold their pay because they have not had a budget? then i guess we will withhold their pay because there are 95 federal -- in this country that are not undertaken. i guess all the work they have been doing trying to confirm the president's...
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it's interesting, we got one piece of news from paul ryan, of course, the vice presidental candidate with mitt romney and the head of the house budget committee an says the fight to have, and the hostage not to take is over the debt ceiling. because obviously if you go -- if you default, if you go over the debt ceiling and there is some technicality whether it's really a default or not, but it would certainly tank the economy and hurt our credit rating and raise interest rates. what ryan is suggesting is you just delay, you extend the debt ceiling for a few months and then you have the night oversee questions tracing, because there's already a hundred billion dollars in spending cuts that's baked in the cake that will take effect on march 1st. that's the point at which you say to the president if you're the republicans, look, we can either go with that hundred billion dolla dollar cut or work something else but we're going to cut a lot of money out of the budget. bill: can that idea move forward do you think. >> it makes a lot more sense. the republicans have a lot more leverage ther
it's interesting, we got one piece of news from paul ryan, of course, the vice presidental candidate with mitt romney and the head of the house budget committee an says the fight to have, and the hostage not to take is over the debt ceiling. because obviously if you go -- if you default, if you go over the debt ceiling and there is some technicality whether it's really a default or not, but it would certainly tank the economy and hurt our credit rating and raise interest rates. what ryan is...
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chairman paul ryan has worked hard with the budget committee to outline the kind of reforms we would put in place to bring real fiscal responsibility here in washington. and the american people understand that you can't continue to spend money that you don't have. it's time for us to come to a plan that will, in fact, balance the budget over the next 10 years. it's our commitment to the american people and we hope the senate will do their budget as they should have done over the last four years. >> good evening. as the speaker said, our conference will look to vote on a measure tomorrow that will temporaryly extend the debt ceiling so that we can see the senate actually begin to do its job. for several years now, i think it's about four, the senate has not passed a budget. and all we're saying is, if the president and the senate -- if this country needs to incur more debt, senate, please show us your plan to repay that debt. please show us your plan to control spending. it's about time that we come together, do our work, the american people expect no less. that's why we'll insist on
chairman paul ryan has worked hard with the budget committee to outline the kind of reforms we would put in place to bring real fiscal responsibility here in washington. and the american people understand that you can't continue to spend money that you don't have. it's time for us to come to a plan that will, in fact, balance the budget over the next 10 years. it's our commitment to the american people and we hope the senate will do their budget as they should have done over the last four...
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but there are some big changes in the paul ryan budget plan to get to 1 years. that will come on the medicare side that will be a big, tough change on the house side. >> we do have an online question coming in asking why a couple of you referenced private conversations you've had about a 10-year balance. why haven't those been public pronouncements that have come out? >> i think they have been somewhat public. they're going to become much more public. and there's more to this. it's also that 974 number, statute that that will continue to stay. in this -- someone comes back to your question, relevance right now may also be for those in influence, you know, those with the power in our leadership when they look members like myself in the eyes and say, here's where this goes. we're going to have the budget committee produce a 10-year balanced budget. we are going to stand behind those dollar apts in the sequestration legislation. we are going to hold firm. in many ways, in 90 days, this is going to be the ultimate test of the relevancy of those we entrust with those
but there are some big changes in the paul ryan budget plan to get to 1 years. that will come on the medicare side that will be a big, tough change on the house side. >> we do have an online question coming in asking why a couple of you referenced private conversations you've had about a 10-year balance. why haven't those been public pronouncements that have come out? >> i think they have been somewhat public. they're going to become much more public. and there's more to this. it's...
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you wouldn't have our most arch conservative members, chairman paul ryan of our budget committee, eric cantor, john boehner, you wouldn't have them singing out of the same hymnal if we are retreating. we have never been more unified behind a position than we are now. i feel pretty confident we're going to pass this today. what this really is is moving away from playing small ball, cutting $100 billion here, 100 bmds there. we're running multitrillion dollar deficits. we've gone from $10 trillion in debt to $16 trillion in debt in the first four years of this presidency, and we now recognize we got to save this president from himself, and we're not going to do it by nickel and diming every two months, three months, four months. we've got to lay out the vision for america that we have, how do we save ourselves from a debt crisis, and force the senate to put forward their view of how we save ourselves from a debt crisis. let the senate lay out its tax proposals. let the senate lay out its entitlement reforms if they have them. and then we can have an adult conversation once the senate pas
you wouldn't have our most arch conservative members, chairman paul ryan of our budget committee, eric cantor, john boehner, you wouldn't have them singing out of the same hymnal if we are retreating. we have never been more unified behind a position than we are now. i feel pretty confident we're going to pass this today. what this really is is moving away from playing small ball, cutting $100 billion here, 100 bmds there. we're running multitrillion dollar deficits. we've gone from $10...
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yet paul ryan yesterday coming out and as a leader sort of talking about we may need to be more accepting of the fact that we only control the house. we don't have the white house or the senate. can republicans do anything in the context of the debate -- the fiscal debates we're in now to improve their brand, to improve their standing? >> i think with the middle, they could. the problem, though, is, mark, you know, so they hit their all-time low or high, however you want to characterize this number. it's the worst negative rating we've ever actually recorded for the republican party. but it was republicans. it's republicans who have now a more negative view. there's still more republicans that have a positive view than negative view, but it is core republicans who are upset with the party. so you have to ask yourself, if you're the republican party, who do you win back first, and how do you do it? so if they did a big grand bargain, their favorable ratings would jump a lot with a bunch of voters who may not ever support who they are. that's sort of the political box that i've heard that h
yet paul ryan yesterday coming out and as a leader sort of talking about we may need to be more accepting of the fact that we only control the house. we don't have the white house or the senate. can republicans do anything in the context of the debate -- the fiscal debates we're in now to improve their brand, to improve their standing? >> i think with the middle, they could. the problem, though, is, mark, you know, so they hit their all-time low or high, however you want to characterize...
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this was exactly what, if you'll recall, paul ryan in his vice-presidential speech and in other places pointed out that barack obama gave a speech in janesville, wisconsin gm plant and said we're going to keep this open for a hundred years with the auto bailout and they closed it started making those cars in china. i'd like to also point out that china, by the way, the media fact checkers found that to be a lie, too, they sided with obama on that and romney-ryan was correct on that as well. >> steve: sure. >> i'd like to point out that 55% of gm's increased production in china by 55% since the bailout and make seven out of ten cars outside the united states. so it's a good thing we did this 83 billion dollar auto bailout for american jobs. >> steve: sure, but you know, a big part of the president's face are auto union workers, they hear, hey, they're going to ship a bunch of car manufacturing jobs out to china, oh, wait a minute, i don't like that idea. so you've got a fact checking organization that came in and said that's the lie of the year. why would a fact checking organization sa
this was exactly what, if you'll recall, paul ryan in his vice-presidential speech and in other places pointed out that barack obama gave a speech in janesville, wisconsin gm plant and said we're going to keep this open for a hundred years with the auto bailout and they closed it started making those cars in china. i'd like to also point out that china, by the way, the media fact checkers found that to be a lie, too, they sided with obama on that and romney-ryan was correct on that as well....